The Neurodivergent Bridge Builder: Redefining Dyslexia with Willie Blake

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:02:28

Willie, welcome to the podcast.

Coach Willie Blake: 00:02:31

Oh, man. Anytime I hear an intro, I'm just like, I'm always blown away. Thank you. Thank you for having me on the show.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:02:38

Well, thank you for what you do and how you inspire so many people. I'm looking forward to this conversation. So I give you thanks for what you do.

Coach Willie Blake: 00:02:47

Yeah, I'm excited, too.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:02:49

So I'm going to ask you my favorite question. What's the best piece of advice you've ever received?

Coach Willie Blake: 00:02:55

Best piece of advice I've ever received. Early 19 years old, I heard it from one of my leaders, and they said, if it's important, if it's important to you, you'll remember.

And, man, that stuck with me ever since then, because I'm not. It's not the instant I'm going to forget something because, man, I have dyslexia. I forget words all the time. Doesn't mean they're not important.

Right, right. But the things that matter most, that stick around and are more consistent, you're going to remember them if they're important.

And if over time you start to forget them, then they weren't important in the first place.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:03:39

That's true. That's very, very true. As I get older, I forget things all the time, too.

Again, not because they weren't important, but it's like my brain can only hold so much information.

Coach Willie Blake: 00:03:52

Yeah.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:03:53

You know? So for a long time, you hit your dyslexia, and can you take us back to the season when you did that?

Look, and how did that feel for you when you were. When you were going through that?

Coach Willie Blake: 00:04:03

Yeah, first grade is when I. About the time I got diagnosed, six or seven years old.

And if you can imagine, this super adventurous kid, loved being curious, playing with his friends, then got this diagnosis of this challenge with reading and speaking. And then all of a sudden, over the next couple years, school grades, the reading levels kept going up, but my reading levels never met it.

So in fifth grade, I'd still be reading at a second grade level. And then in class, I was always the last one to finish tests, last one to turn in homework, and I always felt behind.

And probably the most impactful thing was every Friday, for the last hour of the day, I'd go to a special classroom with other dyslexic kids who we did fun with flashcards and we played games and just a really good time. But to the other kids, they're like, who is this Willie dude going to an extra classroom? He must be a bad kid or something must be wrong with him.

We don't want to hang out with him anymore. So my friends at recess would be like, hey, Willie, we're going to go play football. You stay here and we'll catch you tomorrow.

And I stand there thinking, what's wrong with me? I didn't change. I just learned something new. And because of that, all of a sudden, am I broken now?

Am I going to be able to move, like, make any more friends? I'm just being myself and people don't like me, so maybe I gotta be somebody else. And you can just imagine a kid thinking like that.

And how over those next couple years into elementary and then middle and high school, this curious, adventurous kid slowly became one who was feeling always behind, always had to put up a filter or a mask on his face, and was just surviving.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:06:05

For those of us who don't understand what dyslexia is, kind of describe for us what learning is like for you and some of the challenges you had overcome.

Coach Willie Blake: 00:06:15

Yeah, dyslexia, Simplest of simple things.

It's the way we process information so that it's how we intake it, whether through our sight or how we hear it, how we internalize it, and then how we communicate it out. So the, the root of the word for dis is difficult. And then lexia is reading.

And there's other ones that are like dysgraphia, which have to do with writing, dys calculia, which is math. But all kind of go under that umbrella of dyslexia. And so having that man, it's talking about forgetting something. Can you restate that question?

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:06:58

Yeah, no, it's fine.

Coach Willie Blake: 00:07:01

It's important. I know it's important, but I'd love to hear it again.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:07:05

No, we don't. For those who don't. Don't understand what you're. What learning is like for you.

What are some of the challenges you faced trying to understand learning with dyslexia?

Coach Willie Blake: 00:07:15

Yes, thank you.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:07:17

Yeah, no problem.

Coach Willie Blake: 00:07:18

Love it. The one of the challenges is the. When you have to be public facing and you have to speak out loud, you make sure you don't make mistakes at all.

So my.

In grade school, all these, we'd get in like a half circle and the teachers said, okay, we're going to start here with Timmy and at Timmy, we're going to work our way around. Everyone read their paragraph and we'll go till I say stop. I wouldn't listen.

I would literally be counting the kids until it got to me and then counting the page, the paragraphs down. So I knew exactly which one I read. And I would practice that thing over and over again, making sure I knew how to pronounce the big words.

Said it just so clearly that way, when it got to me, I didn't make mistakes. And that was a pattern that kept going up into high school of when I even had friends.

But we'd be walking down the hallway and they'd take that turn off to the honors classes.

And I'd have to stand there, look at them, and then walk three doors down to the regular English class to where nobody wanted to work, no one wanted to be there. It's just like I feel smart. I know I'm capable because I can read. Just takes me a little longer.

I can write, it's just my hand isn't as fast and I can speak. Words sometimes gets jumbled up in my mouth.

But because of just how the traditional school system is, there's a big emphasis on reading and memorization and speaking.

And because of that, you got this kid who feels challenged throughout his entire grade school levels simply because the things that mattered the most were the most difficult for him.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:09:09

So what was a turning point in your life where you decided to stop hiding it and to own it?

Coach Willie Blake: 00:09:16

Halfway through college, I was switching from my accounting degree to business management. I came across a statistic that said 95% of CEOs read 50 or more books a year. And I thought that'd be pretty cool. Pretty cool to be a CEO.

So if this statistic says that they're reading, then I guess I gotta read more. Ain't no way I'm reading 50 books though. Way too impossible. But 12 didn't seem bad.

Like one book a month, I think I can do that at least a lot easier than 50 books. So I went to my bookshelf, grabbed the smallest self help book I could, a book called Rich Dad, Poor dad by Rowet Kiyosaki. Great book, by the way.

And started to read chapter one.

And it was there that I started learning about what business was, what entrepreneurship was, and the finance and psychology and all these things in the personal growth and self development industry. And my thoughts started to change that. My entire life, I always thought it was this black and white of whatever I believed in.

It was this way or that way. But as I was intaking everyone's information and their experience, it was so much gray area.

And so as I was thinking about my beliefs, not black and white, but in this gray area, dyslexia was one of the ones that came up. I thought, okay, if dyslexia sounds bad, to almost everybody who hears about it, There has to be something good, something good to see.

So I typed in Google what good things come with dyslexia. An article popped up. It said, nine strengths for dyslexia.

Clicked on it, and some of the advantages were really cool, such as creativity and pattern recognition, as well as problem solving. We're able to think outside the box.

And even though there's this myth of bad communication amongst dyslexics, we're really good with the sympathy and empathy side because we know what it's like to go through a challenge. And I started observing and realizing that there's good and bad to everything, and at the end of the day, we just get to choose.

And that was around that time where I decided to choose. Instead of thinking how I thought before, I'm going to start thinking and learning more about the advantages.

And that was that turning point that helped lead me to where I am today.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:11:48

So you had that turning point, but then now you got to step out into the public. What were some of the fears you had to overcome, stepping out publicly and acknowledging it?

Coach Willie Blake: 00:11:58

Oh, first one, I had to say I was dyslexic. Like anybody who knows anything about me, dyslexia is like willy dyslexia. It's just right next to each other. So those first years, it was hard.

I did the things that were impressive. So I was the success coach. I help everybody to achieve success.

And you know as much as I do, when you talk to everybody, nobody listens because you're not talking to their exact pain.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:12:32

Right.

Coach Willie Blake: 00:12:32

And then I dialed down into, I'm the empowerment coach. I'm going to empower people. Same result. Except I did get one client, and that was my cousin. And my cousin was like, I like you.

I like what you're doing. I'm like, awesome. Great way to start. And then I met with one of my good friends, and he said, hey, Willie, you've had dyslexia your entire life.

There is a community out there, not just with dyslexics, but but with neurodivergency. Why don't you speak to them? And I said, sure.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:13:05

Cool.

Coach Willie Blake: 00:13:06

I'll start doing that. And so I started to tell my closest friends that I was dyslexic. And as I told my closest friends, they said, cool, I didn't know that about you.

And then treated me the same way. And then I started to tell my family and extended family, and they're just like, cool, I didn't know that about you. And Then cool.

Continued to treat me the same way, a really good way. And then it branched out to my church, and then branched out to my community.

And then now I'm recording a video for social media, being like, hey, I'm dyslexic. If you're dyslexic, join the community.

And so it was from inside of me having to start breaking that fear of, if I share this, something bad's going to happen, which is what I experienced a lot in grade school. But now, as I'm out in the workforce and building relationships and learning, all of a sudden, people aren't chucking rocks and sticks at me.

They're like, willie, that's really cool. I'm like, okay, maybe this isn't something I need to hide.

And now I'm the person who has his hands wide open and says, I'm dyslexic, and it's not something to hide. And it's so amazing because it's part of me, and I get to share that with people.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:14:26

Wow, that's really neat. And I love your attitude about it, and I love the fact that you're helping people. The people that you're trying to help, that you work with.

With dyslexia, what are. How do you help them to get beyond their limitations? Because you did it. But how do you coach someone else to help get them to that point?

Coach Willie Blake: 00:14:45

That usually falls into two different groups. The first group are ones that need to see the possibility, because if you don't see the possibility, there's no reason to change. So just seeing.

Just visualizing that something can be better, something can be different. That maybe, like, if I'm talking to them, I'm like, maybe dyslexia is a good thing. Let's look it up. Let's see.

Let's just Google it and find that article. Of the nine things, right? Just like, let's try it out. And that possibility brings them into now. It's not an excuse anymore.

It's just something that's a part of me, and I can think more about the good things and have a hope for the future, that my future can be better. That's the first group, and that's. That usually falls into about 80% of people that I talk with.

The other 20% are ones who already see the possibility and they're already out there doing stuff. These are usually the professionals, the entrepreneurs, the ones who are, like, creating the life that they want.

Their thing is that they have so many options that they have to figure out which one to choose and they hit this realm of analysis paralysis. There is so much going on that they don't even know where to start.

And so with them, we work into taking what they want, reverse engineering it and breaking it down, and then just figuring out today, literally today, what is the step that's needed to be taken to work toward the goal you're going for. So those are the two different people.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:16:26

I love it. So let's talk about your 2% rule, because it's very powerful, kind of break down what that is.

Coach Willie Blake: 00:16:33

Yeah, 2% rule.

If your goal is 100%, like the little progress bar of completion, that check mark, check mark, check mark, dyslexia for that one check mark box item, then it's taking that and taking 2% action each day to work towards your goal. So it really breaks down to daily consistent action to get to the desired result that you're working towards.

And I love 2% because for me, when I focus on 100%, I hit that analysis paralysis. There is so much that has to go on, I don't even know where to start.

But then on the flip side, when I focused on just 1% each day, it didn't get a fire within me. It didn't get me passionate or out of my comfort zone. But the 2%, it's where it got me out of my comfort zone.

Had me doing things that I was uncomfortable with, but still led in the direction I needed to and small enough to where I wasn't paralyzed and by the vastness of everything I have to do. So 2% every single day to work towards your goal.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:17:45

I like that because it does. 1% Doesn't seem like you've done a whole lot. You haven't really accomplished much. 5% Is probably a little too much.

110% Is ridiculous, but we hear that all the time. I put 110% into it. Like, how is that possible?

Coach Willie Blake: 00:18:02

It's like, cool. Your next day is like 30%. Next day after that is like 20. Right?

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:18:09

So tell us about your GPS goal method.

Coach Willie Blake: 00:18:13

Absolutely. GPS goal method for anyone. For the younger generation, you might not know what GPS is, but it's basically.

Remember the Apple and Google Maps on your phone. It's like that. But we didn't have the phones. We had the little devices up there for global positioning system to tell us where we want to go.

So that's where this came from. But if you the it breaks down to an acronym of G for get clear, P for plan or plan it and then S for start now. So the G for get clear.

You open your Apple or Google Maps asks you for two things. First thing is where are you wanting to go? What is the destination, the dream, the goal, the finish line, the Northern star, whatever that is.

Where is it that you want to go and when you know that? The second thing is where are you at right now?

And if you know where you're at right now and where you want to go, then you have a direction that you can head. Now you go to the next one, which is planet. And I'm not talking Jupiter, Saturn, I'm talking plan space it. Right.

Once you have that goal, we're going to reverse engineer it backwards.

So if you've ever been to a restaurant that has a little kids menu and they have the little mazes on there, anytime I do that with my kids, I always look at it and visualize it from the top all the way back. So when I finally put crayon to paper, I can do it flawlessly. And that's what we gotta do with our goals.

You take what you're working on and you visualize it backwards to create the blueprint and plan. Because when you do that, it's going to hit milestones along the way.

In my experience, when I start out front and look forward into the future, there are so many options. But when you start in the back and then work towards where we're at, it becomes a lot clearer on what needs to happen.

So we create that plan and then the last one, which is S is start now. And that goes into the 2% rule. But really it comes down to what is something that you can do today to work towards your goal.

And that's the GPS method.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:20:31

I love that. And talk about the importance of taking small, consistent steps.

I think that's critical for people, especially not just with dyslexia, but people who have a hard time finishing, they may have great ideas.

I heard somebody say that, you know, there are a lot of people who have great ideas, but the difference between the person with a great idea and the one who succeeds is the one who's like he did something with. So how do you talk about the importance of actually being consistent with your steps?

Coach Willie Blake: 00:20:59

Yeah, you nailed that part. So imagine with me, you're going from, if you're in the us you're going from Texas to California, you're headed to Disneyland.

So you jump in your car, open up your phone, you put in, I'm going to Disneyland. Put in where you're at. I'm in Dallas, Texas. It's cool.

Click Directions gives you the perfect route that you need to go, and it even gives you some alternatives to take. You're like, awesome. You press start, you put the phone up on your car and you are so excited. You're ready to go.

You got the family with you, you got the car. Load up. We are ready to hit it. Click that start button and it says, okay, travel 200ft and turn left. But what if you took the.

What if you never took the car out of park?

It doesn't matter how excited you are, it doesn't matter who's with you, and it doesn't matter whether you created the plan or AI created the plan or how detail it is. If you don't take the car out of park, you're not going to go anywhere.

So a lot of people that I work with who feel behind, it's not that they aren't behind, it's that they haven't taken their car out of park. And so we need to shift it into drive.

And that's why if you think about what it takes to go from where you're at to, let's say, Disneyland, it's not we're going to teleport from our house to there. And it's going to be quickest way possible.

There is a journey and there will be times to where there is construction in the way and we got to alternate the route.

There are times where the traffic will happen and maybe we gotta go the scenic one, but none of that matters unless we start to drive, unless we start to take the action. That's why I've learned personally that hard work beats lazy talent. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how capable you are.

If you're not doing anything, then the person who is working hard and less skilled and is eventually going to pass you.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:23:09

Is there. Are there some daily habits that you put in place in your life that have been beneficial or game changers for you?

Coach Willie Blake: 00:23:18

The yes, the biggest One is the 2% rule.

So I always have at least one priority that if everything else today just goes to emergencies, putting out fires and such, there is one thing that has to get done today and that thing is always in accordance with the goal that I'm working toward with.

I hold the I have an accountability call that I do each weekday morning with my clients and every Monday we go over the outline for it, which we start at the top. What is the ultimate goal you're working towards and more importantly, why do you want it based then based off that ultimate goal for this month?

And we're right now it's the month of May. So like for the month of May, what is it that you are, what is it that you want to achieve in this month? What is your objective?

You have that objective now. What is your weekly objective? To be able to go to your month, to be able to complete your ultimate goal.

And then you break it down to okay, today, what is something today that I can do that helps me to go to my week, to my month and then to my ultimate goal? So that's one habit that's helped me that no matter what happens, I have my one thing that needs to get done.

And if anything else happens, then it's a bonus. I like that and I love it that way. You stack wins, right?

It's really cool to have like I did one thing and then had like three or four bonuses rather than saying I have a to do list of 10 things and I only got four out of 10 done. So same effort, same accomplishment.

But it's the way that we think that's between, I got a lot of wins today versus man, I didn't even get half of my list done.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:25:03

Speaking of the way we think, what is one thing that most people misunderstand about people who think differently with maybe dyslexia,.

Coach Willie Blake: 00:25:13

That it all comes down that everyone's the same. That would be the biggest thing. Specifically with dyslexics, one of the biggest misconceptions out there is that all dyslexics read backwards.

That's not true. For some, yeah, for sure they read backwards. But for most, it just depends.

It depends on the person, depends on the severity of it and whether it has to do with speaking or spelling or writing or reading or math or whatever it is, it depends on the person. So categorizing it into like this box of you are dyslexic or ADHD or autistic or neurodivergent.

I think that's one of the biggest poisons, I guess you could unseen poisons in the world today, is that you don't take enough time to research what it actually is. So when it gets brought up, it's uncomfortable to talk about and you don't know what it actually is.

Because in reality, everything has its good and everything has its bad and we get to choose on what we get to focus on. But none of that can come if we don't know what it is.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:26:26

Do scientists know or doctors know? What is the heart of dyslexia? Is it a birth thing? Is it a learning do we know exactly kind of where a lot of dyslexia comes from?

Coach Willie Blake: 00:26:40

So it's a learning disability. It's a learning type thing. But we know a lot more than we did like a couple decades ago about it.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:26:49

Yeah, it was so mysterious when I was a kid.

Coach Willie Blake: 00:26:51

Yeah, yeah. But today it used to be that it's just genetic, that if your parents have it, then you have it.

But there's dozens upon dozens of cases to where families who don't have it all of a sudden has this kid who's dyslexic. So not to. Not that I've seen in research wise and that I've seen recently of just this is the one thing, but genetics plays a role into it.

The way in which we learn, whether it's like music or textbook reading or hands on or like that different way that also can play a role into it. So there's different aspects that all lead into it. But again, it's kind of like.

It's like, it's kind of like categorized under that umbrella of this is dyslexia.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:27:39

Right, Exactly. So this podcast is about building bridges and you've embraced dyslexic people, helping them connect more.

Tell us what it's been like for you to be able to connect with other people who were dyslexic and be able to pour into their life.

Coach Willie Blake: 00:27:55

Oh, it feels so good.

It feels amazing just to see the smile and the light that's on their face that there is this big elephant that they feel in their inside, this big secret that they can't share. All of a sudden, someone's out there holding their hands open, saying, I am this and it's okay to be this.

You see just this burden of relief on their face. One of my clients, he. A year before we were able to talk again, we first met at a networking event and he was just another person.

So went up and talked with him. He told me about him being in armed forces and doing a lot with the government stuff. And he's like, what do you do?

And I said, oh, I'm a dyslexic coach. He's like, what? That's so interesting. And he leaned in and said, I'm dyslexic too.

And I'm like, dude, I'll be quiet because you want to be quiet too, but you got to say it out loud. That's something so great that you have. And then at the end of it, he sent me a screenshot and this.

So a year later, he sent me the screenshot because we got reconnected.

And in his phone contacts of me, he has Willie Blake, dyslexic, something he didn't even remember, like I was a coach or anything, but that instant connection of, you're dyslexic and I am dyslexic. Just he remembered that and was able to jump into our community and just be amazing there.

And I've seen him really feeling down about it when we first met, whispering, having it being a secret to now he talks about it openly and other people are finding him and bringing smiles to their faces.

It's just such a great thing that in a world to where it feels like we have to hide the things that make us different, that there are actually literal communities out there that embrace it and you get to feel a part of it.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:30:03

Wow. So that kind of leads to my next question.

How do leaders create environments where people who are dyslexic or whatever can feel like they can bring their full self to the table?

Coach Willie Blake: 00:30:17

First thing, don't judge. We've all been through stuff, and of course, some things are worse than others.

But all in all, we've all had a challenge, and we all have this thing that we've been hiding called dyslexia.

So the leaders who are creating these communities and trying to involve as many people in there, think of it as there are support groups out there, and I support them. They're amazing.

The people that lead them are there as well, but even more so communities that not only help people feel supported, but actually help them to achieve things as well. What I see in those leaders that are leading them is that they talk to them like adults, but they also talk to them as if they're a friend.

There's not much AI going on. There's not much like, I'm in this suit and tie on this pedestal and you're down here.

It's all of us are literally in this line, and we're about to fight this army in front of us of whatever it is we're trying to do, and all of us are friends trying to make whatever it is that we want to make in this world. So those leaders, a lot are just. They're on the front lines with everybody else.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:31:32

So if someone's listening to this podcast and they're dyslexic and they're in the shadows hiding about it, what do you want to say to them to help them start today to change their mindset and perspective on life?

Coach Willie Blake: 00:31:44

Dyslexia is awesome. There's so many amazing Things with dyslexia, like I said, creativity is one of them.

That's why in careers and jobs, art and design, graphics, the actors and actresses, music and architectures, and entrepreneurs, 33% of entrepreneurs have some form of dyslexia. Like our ability. More than just these three things of reading and writing and the way that we speak, there's this whole list.

Creativity, problem solving patterns and empathy and sympathy.

And being able to see things in different solutions and just all of them together come into something that we can't heal, you could say, because dyslexia is not curable, but we can embrace it and realize this thing that's been hiding just needs to be seen in the mirror. And it's a pretty cool thing to see in the mirror. So for you who is hiding it, put your arms out and say, I'm dyslexic like I am.

Because it's amazing gift that you have. And when you see the amazing, awesome things that come from it, you're going to start loving your life.

And even more important, you're going to start loving yourself.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:33:05

Wow, cool. So, Will, I'm asking my other favorite question. What do you want your legacy to be?

Coach Willie Blake: 00:33:13

Oh, man, I didn't talk about my family on here yet. I'm a girl dad, married for nine years and got four beautiful girls six and under.

And my legacy is for them, it's for when the time comes that they know that they had a dad who was, number one, kind to people, not nice. There's a difference between being nice and kind, but he was a kind person.

And two, that if you want something that they can look to their dad and know that whether I'm there in spirit or in body, never give up on what you want. And then the third one, continue to bring hope for other people.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:33:58

I love it. So on the show, we have a new thing, a surprise question. Pick a number between 1 and 10. For your surprise question,.

Coach Willie Blake: 00:34:08

We'll hit up 4.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:34:09

4.

Coach Willie Blake: 00:34:11

I usually go extreme, so today I'm going with 4.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:34:15

Would you rather have unlimited sushi for life or unlimited tacos for life?

Coach Willie Blake: 00:34:21

Oh, man. Why do you have to do me like that? Oh, I'm gonna go with sushi because my wife and I love sushi. We literally have a Google Drive folder.

Whenever we go on dates, we get always have to get a Las Vegas roll always. Those are the best. And then we have to get four, at least four other rolls. And we have a rating system in our phone, best places and such.

So sushi is what I'm going with.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:34:48

All right. Well most people don't.

Coach Willie Blake: 00:34:49

Sushi tacos are great too. Tacos are great too, but I'll go with sushi.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:34:54

So Willie, where can people connect with you, find you and learn more about you on social media?

Coach Willie Blake: 00:34:59

Yeah, best and easiest place for everybody is to go to my website coach, willieblake.com and there you'll be able to find all my socials to connect with me. You'll be able to find the link to the things that I'm working on and that we have community wise.

And then free gifts for people who listen to podcasts like this of ebooks that are very short. I'm dyslexic. I like shortness. Very short ebooks. From the Blueprint to breaking free and breaking those chains of limitations.

Rev. Dr. Keith Haney: 00:35:29

Well, Willie, thank you for joining the podcast. What an incredible conversation. Willie reminds us that the things we often hide are the very things that can help set us apart.

When we stop running from them and start using them, we begin to build confidence, momentum and impact. If today's episode encouraged you, take a moment to subscribe, share with someone who needs to hear this message and leave a review.

It helps us to reach more people who need to grow and are ready to grow and and lead with purpose. To connect with Willie, we'll learn more about his coaching, speaking and frameworks. It's like the 2% rule in the GPS goal method.

Check out the links that'll be in the show notes. And remember, progress doesn't require perfection. It just takes the next step. Until next time, keep building bridges.

Willie, thanks for being on the podcast. Thank you.