Episode 422

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6th Oct 2025

Surviving Lyme, Shaping Lives: The Mary Lyn Hammer Story

In this powerful episode, we sit down with Mary Lyn Hammer, a pioneering force in student loan reform and a passionate health advocate. With over 37 years of experience and a legacy that has impacted more than 3 million students, Mary shares her groundbreaking work as the first full-time default manager in the U.S. But her journey doesn’t stop there.

Mary opens up about her harrowing battle with Lyme disease and a life-threatening blood infection, revealing how she turned personal adversity into a mission of hope and healing. Through candid storytelling, humor, and resilience, she explores the mindset shifts that helped her survive and thrive.

Whether you're navigating health challenges, interested in education policy, or simply seeking inspiration, this episode delivers insight, empowerment, and a touch of fun.

Takeaways:

  • Mary Lyn Hammer is a pioneer in student loan reform, advocating for over three decades.
  • She survived a rare blood infection and Lyme disease, transforming her life and others.
  • Her book 'Injustice for All' reveals deep systemic issues in education reporting.
  • Mary emphasizes the importance of mindset in overcoming personal and health challenges.
  • Her personal journey inspired her to offer healing strategies to those affected by Lyme disease.
  • Mary's advocacy work has impacted over 3 million students, showcasing her dedication.
  • www.championscompanies.com
Transcript
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Today's guest is Mary Linhammer, a nationally recognized expert in loan student loan reform and a powerful voice in health and wellness advocacy.

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loan default prevention since:

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She continues to work with policymakers, including the Trump administration, on real solutions to student loan crisis.

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Mary is the founder and CEO of Champion College Services and her work has impacted over 3 million students.

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But Mary's journey doesn't stop at policy reform.

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After surviving a near death experience and a rare blood infection with a 3% survival rate, she healed herself and her daughter who has born was born with rare Lyme disease from Lyme disease and multiple co infections.

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Her new book, over Over My Dead Body chronicles the decade long battle and offers hope, research, healing strategies and others facing similar health challenges.

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Mary's story is one of resilience, advocacy and transformation.

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Whether she's fighting for students or helping others reclaim her health, she brings unmatched insight and inspiration.

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We're honored to welcome Mary to the podcast.

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Thank you, thank you.

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Good to have you.

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I actually go by Mary Lynn.

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Oh good, Mary Lynn.

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My mom's from Georgia, so we all had two names.

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I'm from Louisiana.

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I know all those people.

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I always laugh because when my brother was little we called him Billy Neal and I just thought that was hilarious.

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That's too funny.

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So Barry Lynn, I'm going to ask you my favorite question.

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What's the best piece of advice you've ever received?

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Oh boy.

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You know, if I go back to the beginning of really my growth journey, I was 22 years old and one of my clients, I was selling investment art at an art gallery in Houston, Texas.

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And it was right before the oil market crashed.

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And my clients, it was a man and his wife and they came in and he gave me a cassette tape of Think and Grow Rich.

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And it was Earl Nightingale's recording of the shorter version, not the whole book, but the shorter version.

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And I listened to that every night, every morning.

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I did everything it said and when they gave that to me, I had two pieces of furniture and the mattress I had purchased I bought for it was a king size mattress I got for $25 and we folded it in half like a taco to get it through the door.

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So I was very broke and I did everything that that book told me to do.

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And I mean I had three by five cards.

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I actually found them when I moved.

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I just found them from, from way back when I had signs up all over my mirrors.

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The only piece of art I had was my vision board.

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And my friends used to give me such a hard time and because they'd come in and go, nice decorations, Maryland.

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But you know what, they're, they're all proud of me now because I'm a self made millionaire.

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And it was through a lot of hard work.

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But the number one thing, and I've studied with Tony Robbins, I was a Platt partner for years and several other people that are big in the personal development industry.

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And the number one path to success is your mindset.

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If you don't have your mind in the right place, then you're never going to heal.

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You're never going to make any difference in the world.

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You know, you, it's hard to get through the days sometimes.

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And when you start realizing that you have control over what and how you think it can change your world.

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Wow, that's powerful.

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Thank you for sharing that story.

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I love that.

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That's give some good background about your journey and your life story.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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So you've had a remarkable career in education reform and advocacy.

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Can you kind of share how your life shifted from when you began experiencing, when you began experiencing mysterious health symptoms?

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Well, that didn't happen until I was really in my 40s.

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And prior to that I was somewhat of a maniac.

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I, I was a professional dancer.

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My, my biggest claim to fame is that I was a dancer on the first live broadcast of MTV.

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I was 19 years old and nobody had ever heard of MTV.

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And it was more like American Bandstand back then.

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And so, you know, they said, this is how much you're going to get paid.

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And I was like, where do I sign?

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I had no idea what it was.

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And, and so that's my claim to fame.

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So I was a dancer, I was a skier, a world class skier.

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And I skied like that.

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I was a extreme skiers.

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So when I say I was a bit of a maniac, like I was, I was the person jumping off of cliffs and jumping out of helicopters and, and it was usually me and, and a bunch of guys.

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And I wouldn't trade those experiences for anything.

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And I did that until I was 38 years old and I was still ranked in the top 5 to 10% of skiers.

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In the world at that point.

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And then I got pregnant.

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My daughter was a surprise gift, and I had her when I was 39 years old, and I got bit by a tick the first month I was pregnant.

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So she was actually born with Lyme disease.

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And then, you know, as a maniac would do.

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After I gave birth, I started working out like crazy again.

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Got to lose the weight and get back in shape, and I was working out, getting weaker and weaker, and nobody could explain it.

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And I kept hearing this, you know, well, at your age.

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And I'm thinking, I'm 40.

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What are you talking about?

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You know, I was just jumping out of helicopters a year ago.

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You know, it made no sense at all.

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And I've also been into health food and diet, you know, organic diet, since I was in my 20s.

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That journey also began then.

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And, you know, my doctor would say, you're the healthiest person I know and the unhealthiest person I know all at the same time.

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And he was from Hawaii.

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He was actually my dance partner when.

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When this all started, but he had no experience with Lyme disease.

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And I just went from doctor to doctor to doctor, and nobody could give me answers.

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It took six and a half years to diagnose me.

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And by the time I was diagnosed, I could barely walk up a flight of stairs.

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And, you know, I was a single mom and running companies and flying all over the country and going to Washington to write laws.

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In fact, I nearly died.

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infection from the IV port in:

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So this week is a big anniversary for me because it was the point where I. I was laying in bed, my skin was gray, my hair had fallen out, my guts were falling out, and I was just laying in bed and praying that I wouldn't die.

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And I crossed over numerous times.

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And I also had a brother who died the same year I was born.

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And it was two weeks before his fourth birthday.

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And I had always felt him.

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My whole life, I could feel him.

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We were connected.

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And so I considered him one of my angels.

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And when I crossed over, he was there.

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Sorry, it's still emotional.

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He was there.

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And I said, oh, you're here to take me into the light.

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And it was literally like a white tunnel, a of light.

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And he said, no, I'm here to tell you it's not your time.

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You're going back.

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I was kind of like, okay.

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And.

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And then we had this conversation that was very similar.

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To, you know, siblings giving me a hard time.

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And, and I really didn't want to leave my daughter because she was only 7 years old at the time.

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And, and then it felt like I was falling and, and when you're out of your body, you don't feel the pain.

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It's very beautiful and peaceful and, and, and I was in excruciating pain.

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I mean, that, that you're, you're a guy.

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So it's hard for men to relate to it, but it made a childbirth feel like a broken nail.

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Oh, wow.

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It was so painful.

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And I refused to take pain medicine because that was the only way I knew whether the antibiotics were working or not.

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And I had a therapist that kept saying, this man's wife had the same pattern that you had.

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And they found out the name of the infection right before she died.

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And it was too late.

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And she said, but you have the same pattern.

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So I called her up on the Tuesday after Labor Day and I said, can you please get ahold of this man and get the name of the infection?

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And she called him and he was out of town and he said he would be back on Friday.

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And she said, I don't think my patient's going to last that long.

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And so he called his son and had the son pull his mom's medical records and get us the name of the blood infection.

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And they got me on the right antibiotics and that saved my life.

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You know, two people I've never met.

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I wrote them a huge thank you note.

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And so that was the turnaround.

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And there were so many God moments that I was given insights and I don't, you know, I have no explanation for it.

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And a lot of the things that happen still to this day, I have no explanation explanation for it except that God's leading me.

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And so from that point I was significantly better and so was my daughter.

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We discovered quite a few things.

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I use an energetic device and I had one back then.

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And that was like the old computer days where it was this rather large device.

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Now it's like the size of a cell phone.

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And I saw patterns and I figured a lot of it out through that.

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However, the biggest answers came through just these insights that would drop into my lap.

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And over Christmas I put my daughter and me both on this greens first cleanse because I thought we have to get all these medications out.

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Because at one point I was taking 300 pills a day.

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I was getting 12 IVs a week and taking about 300 pills a day.

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Elizabeth was only 5 when we were diagnosed, so she wasn't taking as many.

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And her infection wasn't as bad as mine.

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Probably there was some filter there because she caught it in utero.

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But we both got extremely sick.

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And I went back to the doctor, and he said, your blood infection is back.

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And it freaked me out.

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And he was on the phone trying to figure out what antibiotic to put me on.

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And I was reading the research materials about the blood infection on his computer.

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And there was no testing facility in the United States at that time for that blood infection.

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The testing facility was in France, and it said it had a biofilm.

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And right before they did the emergency surgery to take my IV port out, they were taking blood out of the port, and all this white stuff went into the syringe.

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And the doctors were like, what is this?

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There was four doctors in the clinic when it happened.

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Nobody knew what it was.

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And I was being a smarty and said, you know, if that's fat, can we take some of it out of my butt?

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I can't help myself.

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Anyway, it came back from the lab that it was a fibrin fibrinogen material.

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And the research back then was fairly new about biofilm.

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And so I knew there was biofilm associated with Lyme disease.

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And now at that point, I saw that it was also associated with this blood infection.

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And what we figured out was that the enzymes in the greens first cleanse, that were plant enzymes, you know, fruit and vegetables, were dissolving the biofilm, and it let the pathogen back out.

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So we did a protocol of rotating through various enzymes at the same time.

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We were on antibiotics.

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And about six weeks into that, my daughter, you know, she.

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I had kept her active, but even in gymnastics, she would.

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She would get really tired and have to rest in between each event.

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You know, she would do something, and then she'd have to lay down on the mat.

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And she came home from school, and it was a Monday, and she said, mommy, it's the best Monday of my life.

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And I said, why, honey?

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And she said, because I'm not tired.

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And that's when I knew that we had it.

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And it took longer for my blood infection to go away.

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education bill that passed in:

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And I was still on antibiotics for all this stuff when I went to Washington.

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And it's very, very intense.

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And the bellman had to carry me to my room one day.

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I was so Exhausted, I didn't have any energy to even walk to my room.

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But I was going there anyway because education was my passion.

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And we got through that, and we've been Lyme free ever since.

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Like, our immune systems have gotten stronger, physically stronger.

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I skied this winter, and, you know, we got our lives back.

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And my daughter graduated from college with honors, and I'm so proud of her.

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And, you know, and the cognitive challenges were the.

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Probably the most difficult thing for her.

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And, you know, she developed in that with the pathogens.

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So that's.

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That's a short version of our story.

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That's a powerful story.

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When did you realize, though, during the story, that the medical profession wasn't going to be able to help?

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You had to become your own detective?

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Well, you know, when they first told me that I had Lyme disease, I had heard about it, but I really didn't know anything about it.

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And so I'm a researcher.

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I like digging, and I go down a lot of rabbit holes, which probably saved my life.

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And every time they would tell me something, I'd go and research it.

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And so I became very knowledgeable about the subject matter.

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And then the people with Lyme disease at our clinic, we called it the IV room.

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Like, everybody in there had Lyme disease, and we were all getting IVs, and I had this energetic dev, and I started testing everybody in the room and seeing patterns, you know, that the people who were severely ill had a pattern of high amounts of heavy metals, high viral loads, which.

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The viral loads happen when your immune system is down.

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So your immune system down, your viruses take off.

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So, you know, you get food allergies.

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You have all of these symptoms that are a result of your immune system being weak.

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And then as you build your immune system back up, the food allergies start going away.

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And the viruses.

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Well, I found a fabulous product for the viruses that was a God moment for sure.

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My doctor sent me to go pick up some medications, and when I got to the distributor, this was sitting on the counter, and I was like, what is that?

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And she said, oh, my gosh, you need to know about this product.

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Like, it was a fluke, because I. I think that's the only time I ever went to pick up medicine for him.

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So.

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And I happened to find this product, and it's.

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It's the product that.

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It's called Humicel.

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And it.

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It encapsulates the virus, so it can't attach to a host cell, so it doesn't replicate.

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So it works on everything.

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Epstein Barr Cytomegalovirus, HHV6, herpes, shingles, Covid.

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And just getting rid of the viruses builds your immune system up because they're so taxing on the body.

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But that's where I started.

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And My daughter was 5 and I didn't want to leave her and I didn't want her to be sick.

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So I was highly motivated to find answers.

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I didn't want her to suffer.

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It's the word I. I was upset when I knew I had it.

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But when he said, you're.

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How about your daughter?

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You can get this in utero.

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And my heart sunk it.

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You know, it's hard to describe how desperate you feel when you know your child is ill. Wow.

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So part one of your book, we just kind of gave that story.

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Part two of your book.

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You deal with the research that you went through, the protocols that work for you.

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What are some of the most surprising or empowering discoveries you've made during that part of your search?

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Well, one of the things, well, the heavy metals is a big deal.

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That wasn't really surprising to me because I grew up in a mining town.

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Where did you get all these?

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You know, I used to be the kid that was in the sand dunes playing with the little balls of mercury.

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You know, they were like this big and you, you could move them and they jiggle and.

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Yeah, I was playing with those.

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And then I would play with the lead, like get a magnet and.

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And we'd have contests to see who could get the highest strings of lead.

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I mean, we were.

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That was like our playground.

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So that wasn't a shocker.

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s that I figured out in about:

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It was like a mutation of tuberculosis.

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And tuberculosis is a mycotoxin.

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And at the time I thought it was coming into people from the vaccines.

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I mean, that was really the only insight that I had at the time.

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And so I agreed to do a protocol, six week protocol of streptomycin, which is injection.

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My daughter, we used oral.

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That's not as effective.

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But I didn't want her to have the side effects of the injection, which could, could be hearing loss.

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And I thought she was too young to take a risk like that.

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And the die off was so great that I smelled like a rotting animal.

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It was horrible.

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And I was still dancing at the time and my dance partner was my doctor and we were doing a Latin cha cha routine.

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And every time I raised my arm, I'd be like, I am so sorry.

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It just smelled terribly and then the die off was tremendous.

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And so we thought at the time that the Lyme was feeding off of the mycotoxin because all of the infection rates started coming down.

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And In December of:

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Wow.

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And so, you know, 12 years later, it became public that it was actually a co infection of the Lyme and that's how it came into the body.

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But most people had that piece of it.

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And the mycotoxins.

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I see those on every single scan that I do when I, when I take people on, I do a full body scan.

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It's.

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It's $495 to do the scan.

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And if you got traditional medical tests for all of that, it would be tens of thousands of dollars to get the same amount of information that I get a scan.

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It doesn't spit out the answers.

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You have to look for the patterns, and then everybody's a little bit different.

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So Lyme has 46 different mutations of DNA.

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It mutates into 14 different life forms.

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There's a ton of co infections.

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And then you have to take into consideration the person's past and what they've had, because, like, when you start dissolving biofilm, it'll let anything out, anything they've ever had.

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So when I start working with somebody, I have to do extensive research because, say, if somebody had like a septic infection in the past and they've got Lyme disease and I know we're going to start dissolving the biofilm, we have to get antibiotics for all of it, because if it comes out, you have to address it.

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And sometimes they're pathogens that could kill somebody.

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Like, you have to take it very seriously.

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And I have to work with the doctors because the enzymes also thin the blood.

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Like, whenever you take enzymes, if you're also on blood thinners, you have to be very, very careful because your blood will get too thin.

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So I just, I just keep researching, I keep finding new things and different answers.

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There's a new, it's not a new product line, but it's new products for a company that I've been using for a long time.

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And it's a detox program using hemp and cbd and it actually pulls the toxins not just from around the cells, but from the interior of the cells.

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And those products are supposed to be available on the 15th.

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And I've got a group of people already where we're gonna do a baseline scan and then A scan after each of the cleanses.

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I'm so excited about it because the faster I can get somebody well, the better.

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They have to be as dedicated to it as I am.

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And.

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And some people can go faster than others.

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I'm a get it over with girls, so I just want to blast through things.

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That's just my personality.

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It's like, okay, let's get it over.

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Give me everything.

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And, you know, and some people can't handle that.

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I mean, I've worked with people that have had lyme disease for 30, 40, 50 years.

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And, you know, so they've been.

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They've been sick for a long time.

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And, you know, that's where the mindset becomes part of the protocol is because you have to pull.

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Sometimes pull people out from being more addicted to the.

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Are more committed to the illness than they are to their healing.

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So if somebody were to reach out to you and ask for help, what would you start with them?

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Just kind of give them a sense of what they would be experiencing.

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Well, there's really three stages of healing with the.

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We call it the Lyme crusher is our protocol.

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And I've packaged a program that includes three to four months of products.

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It includes superfoods, it includes cleanses, it includes regular scans.

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I'm very active with my clients.

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We're usually texting all the time, and at the end of it, we're usually really good friends.

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And, you know, I don't want a patient for life.

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I want a friend for life.

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I want to see people out living their lives again.

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I have no connection to, like this.

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This will just make them sick forever.

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So I can keep treating them.

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I don't want to do that.

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I'm not interested in that.

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So the three stages are the prepare stage, which is a lot of cleansing and building up the body strength, because if your detox pathways are clogged, then you're never going to make it through the killing stage without a whole lot of discomfort and putting your health in real danger, truthfully.

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So Lyme releases neurotoxins and does all these things to you.

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So we want to get all of that out of the body.

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And it's usually very clogged up.

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When I take somebody on, like, their liver's clogged, their kidneys are clogged, their lymphatic system is clogged.

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A lot of them have skin issues.

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Those are the four main pathways for getting rid of toxins.

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So we have to open up those pathways and clean them out.

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Then we bring down, like, the Viral load and all of, I call them opportunistic infections.

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It's everything that that happens when your body becomes weak.

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The scan results that we get show what foods they're allergic to.

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And the more compromised your immune system is, the more foods you'll be allergic to.

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So I ask them, I can't force anybody to do anything, but I ask them to stay away from those foods for the time building, for the time being.

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Because every little bit of stress that your body has on it is energy that you're taking away from healing the main pathogen that's causing all this weakness.

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So the first part we call prepare.

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And so that's detoxing and building up the body strength.

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And then when we get to a certain aspect of it, that which, and that includes heavy metals, parasites, you know, the organs cleaning, like it's very comprehensive.

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Then when we get past that stage, I have to work with a physician and that's when we start introducing the products that break down the biofilm and the medications used for killing the Lyme.

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And Lyme is a spirochete, so it, it looks like a corkscrew, so it can actually like pierce cell membranes.

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And it's the same pathogen family syphilis.

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So people think that this is not transmissible from human to human.

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And that is absolutely false.

Speaker B:

My daughter got it in utero.

Speaker B:

It's just now coming out that that happens.

Speaker B:

You know, I've not.

Speaker B:

She's 24 now, so I've known that since we were diagnosed.

Speaker B:

It can be passed sexually.

Speaker B:

And so when you have a family, you really have to treat the family, especially the couple, but the children can, because otherwise you just pass it back and forth like you're not going to heal.

Speaker B:

If you can't get your spouse, you either have to practice safe sex or they need to be treated too.

Speaker B:

And sometimes that's a shock because they're not always on board with that.

Speaker B:

So at that point we address all of that.

Speaker B:

And then I do the scan every two weeks so that I can see, you know, this form is active right now.

Speaker B:

So let's switch from A to B or you know, whatever is going on with the person.

Speaker B:

This is the part where it's the most different for people when we're actually killing the pathogens.

Speaker B:

And one of the co infections is called Babesia, which is similar to malaria and that is usually the last to go.

Speaker B:

That seems to be the most difficult to get rid of.

Speaker B:

And it's the same protocol as people use to get rid of malaria.

Speaker B:

And if you've ever looked into that or gone to Africa or anything.

Speaker B:

There's, there's a milder malaria and there's a more aggressive malaria and it's a lot of times we have to use the same protocol as the more aggressive malaria to actually get rid of that one.

Speaker B:

So it's really tick borne diseases, not just Lyme disease.

Speaker B:

People just traditionally kind of wrap them all together under that name, but it's really tick border borne illnesses.

Speaker B:

And you know, I've through researching, you know, people come to me and they've got, it's like, well there's a Lyme going on, but they have other things going on.

Speaker B:

And what I've discovered is that every chronic illness that I've encountered has a biofilm.

Speaker B:

It does similar things to the body's immune system.

Speaker B:

So, so that piece of it is similar where you have to do the detoxes and we detox the entire time because you're cleaning up the body.

Speaker B:

Then when you actually kill the pathogens, you have to have a pathway to get the neurotoxins out which go up because they puke out the neurotoxins when they die.

Speaker B:

And then there's.

Speaker B:

People don't like to hear this part, but the dead carcasses, you have to get those out of the body, you know, because they're actual physical things that are floating around in your body at that point.

Speaker B:

So we detox through that stage as well.

Speaker B:

And then the last part of it is detoxing all of the medications and everything that they just went through and you have to reprogram the immune system.

Speaker B:

So, so the immune system at that point is like hyper reactive.

Speaker B:

Like my daughter was in the second grade when we got rid of it.

Speaker B:

And the first few times that she got a cold after we got rid of the Lyme disease, she would have 104 fever.

Speaker B:

Like it just went.

Speaker B:

Her little immune system was like, oh no, we're sick again.

Speaker B:

You know, and it's just overreacting.

Speaker B:

And so we had to reprogram it to go, it's okay, it's just a cold.

Speaker B:

And then build the body back up and make sure you're getting the right nutrients.

Speaker B:

And then ideally I want to have people that have good health for the rest of their lives.

Speaker B:

So when I'm working with somebody, I explain everything.

Speaker B:

You get a tremendous amount of, of information and protocols and what they do and why they're on them.

Speaker B:

Because I don't, I, I'm not just going to give somebody something.

Speaker B:

I go, just trust me, take This I want them to understand why, why they're taking it.

Speaker B:

And the whole reason I started this company originally was that the, the cost of this is tremendous because most of it's not covered by health insurance.

Speaker B:

And so I wanted to be able to offer products and services at a discount because when I was going through this, you know, I had both my daughter and me, and, and so a lot of the equipment and the products I would buy myself because when you, you know, you're having to pay for all this stuff for two people, after a while it's like, well, it makes more sense for me to have ozone machine.

Speaker B:

It makes more sense for me to have my own, you know, red light machine.

Speaker B:

So I have all this equipment that supports the healing and building the body up.

Speaker B:

And so that's the last stage of it is really building the body back up, the immune system back up, getting everything to work right again.

Speaker B:

You know, like they told me they didn't know if my organs would ever work right again.

Speaker B:

And a lot of that was from the blood infection.

Speaker B:

But that also happens with when you have Lyme disease for a long time.

Speaker B:

And today I'm on about a third of the thyroid medicine that I was on for years, and that's really the only thing I take.

Speaker A:

Wow, where can people connect with you and find out more about what you do?

Speaker B:

Well, we have a website, it's champion4life.com and, you know, and it's really about health and wellness, you know, physically and emotionally.

Speaker B:

You know, the emotional component of it is.

Speaker B:

It's key.

Speaker B:

And, you know, I talked about mindset earlier.

Speaker B:

So when you break the word Lyme in two, it's lie and me.

Speaker B:

And so I ask people to think about what lie are you telling yourself?

Speaker B:

What lie am I telling me that's keeping me from getting well?

Speaker B:

And for people who've had Lyme for a long time, their support system usually ends up being other people that have Lyme disease because their friends and family completely don't understand it.

Speaker B:

I can't tell you how many times you hear, well, you look fine and you're dying inside.

Speaker B:

And you know, people get impatient with you.

Speaker B:

They don't understand why you can't remember things or do things that used to be easy.

Speaker B:

They just don't understand it.

Speaker B:

I have one patient whose husband was like, yeah, I just don't believe this.

Speaker B:

And.

Speaker B:

And she had had it since she was 13 years old.

Speaker B:

Like, he didn't know her well, like in a well state, and he really didn't believe her until she Started getting well.

Speaker B:

And then he.

Speaker B:

And then he was like, oh, maybe there is something to this.

Speaker B:

And, you know, so now all of a sudden, he's going, oh, I guess you did have something, because he didn't.

Speaker B:

He had never experienced her well.

Speaker B:

And, you know, she was.

Speaker B:

She.

Speaker B:

This summer, she was up hiking in Zion national park and doing all the, you know, with a backpack on.

Speaker B:

And, you know, I just love that I tell people, you can either use your adversities in life as an excuse for your behavior, a reason for making a change.

Speaker B:

And so that was my mindset going into this training.

Speaker B:

And the training I went to was Tony Robbins date with Destiny.

Speaker B:

And I had been there before.

Speaker B:

And so it wasn't my first taking time, taking the class, but he went into a meditation and he says, go back to your first memory.

Speaker B:

And like, oh, my gosh, I've been working on my parent thing for years.

Speaker B:

I'm just going to be open.

Speaker B:

And so I just opened up and God came in and he showed me how much it hurt him to allow me to be hurt.

Speaker B:

Like I've been hurt during my life so that I could fulfill my purpose for being here.

Speaker B:

But having him show me that.

Speaker B:

That, you know, that God had to make choices to allow me to be beaten as a child and raped and to go through the whole Lyme trauma and almost die.

Speaker B:

And it was all for a purpose.

Speaker B:

So with the abuse from my childhood, I built numerous businesses in the education industry.

Speaker B:

And through my companies, I've worked with over 3 million students, and I've affected nearly four decades of college students through lawmaking and regulatory making.

Speaker B:

And then, because I went through the Lyme disease and the blood infection and I almost died, I have answers.

Speaker B:

I have a way to make people well.

Speaker B:

And, you know, it might not get everybody well, but it'll get you significantly healthier.

Speaker B:

And if.

Speaker B:

If we can get everybody well, that's my goal.

Speaker B:

But.

Speaker B:

But just knowing that there was purpose behind all of that pain and that God shared in the grief and the.

Speaker B:

And the pain of it with me.

Speaker A:

Well, Mary, that's powerful.

Speaker A:

Thank you.

Speaker A:

And that's a great way for us to wrap this up.

Speaker A:

Thank you for what you do and the impact that you're having on people's lives, because blessings on what you're doing.

Speaker B:

Thank you very much.

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Becoming Bridge Builders
Building Bridges, Transforming Lives
Discover the inspiring journeys of transformational leaders on "Becoming Bridge Builders" with host Keith Haney. Each episode uncovers the inspiring stories of individuals who are profoundly impacting the world. Learn how their leadership and unique gifts bridge gaps, foster unity, and create lasting legacies. Tune in for powerful testimonies, insightful, often challenging conversations, and practical wisdom that will empower you to become a bridge builder in your community. Join us and be inspired to create positive change and follow in the footsteps of these remarkable leaders.
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Byrene Haney

I am Byrene Haney, the Assistant to the President of Iowa District West for Missions, Human Care, and Stewardship. Drawn to Western Iowa by its inspiring mission opportunities, I dedicate myself to helping churches connect with the unconnected and disengaged in their communities. As a loving husband, father, and grandfather, I strive to create authentic spaces for conversation through my podcast and blog.